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monkslayer
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2016 3:15 pm    Post subject: cooling problems wit underbelly Rad Reply with quote

Hi guys,

I really could use some help at this point. I have installed an underbelly rad on my 1970 bus (with a Toyota 4Y-E engine). However despite all the successes posted by others who have chosen this approach, I can't seem to nail it.

My temps keep rising and also once my fan kicks in, it constantly runs. Strangely enough i tried to drive without the scoop for a short run and the fans cycled on and off. I'm completely lost.

Any ideas to help me fine tune my cooling setup will be really appreciate.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 27, 2016 8:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you have a constant fall in the piping to and from the radiator or are there any humps in it that could be air locked?

Which end of the radiator is lowest? Front end or rear?

Is your fan on the front or rear of the radiator? Are you sure it's sucking/blowing the right direction?

For your ducting, is the outlet after the radiator the same size, bigger or smaller than the inlet before the radiator?
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2016 6:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

from the radiator it is a constant fall, but on the return line(outlet) i do have a slight angle as it aproaches the expansion tank but flow seems ok viewed through the expansion tank.

the rear end of the radiator is lowest.it is slanting with with the front end being the higher part within the chassis.

my fan is on the top of the radiator in a sucking direction.

the piping is of equal diameter all through( 40mm).

Any clues?
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2016 8:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is there a bleed point at the top (front) of the radiator? I have mine tilted the other way: front end is lowest with rear end highest, the pipes come off the rear end so there's no possibility of getting an airlock, it bleeds itself out to the reservoir
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 29, 2016 5:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes there is no point at the radiator. I usually do the bleeding from the engine point by just loosening one of the pipes to let air out until i get a steady stream of water.(i know pretty crude, but only option i have till i install a bleader screw;-))
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 20, 2016 11:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Problem solved. Installed a bleeder nipple in line to better bleed it.discovered that I had still a bit of air.also switched the piping and had the water rising at only one point, and that is when it is flowing back to the expansion tank. Finally, installed the radiator switch on the return line to sense cooled coolant back from the radiator and not to(which was always hot thus explaining why my fans were always on).

Now,did a test drive and my temps are stable and my fans didn't come on when on the highway.

Cheers
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 21, 2016 5:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

result!! well done and thanks for coming back to update us. This thread might be useful for someone undertaking a conversion project in the future Happy
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2016 11:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

monkslayer wrote:
I just got around to winding up on my underbelly rad conversion. After a few teething problems , it finally worked well. I however noticed during hotter weather, which is mainly the case in my part of the world, my fans run on constantly . When it is cool, at highway speeds, I have no issues and the fans rarely cut in unless up a steep hill. When it gets hotter, say about +25 degrees celcius, once the fans kick in, they don't go off even at highway speeds.

Could you advise I could do to improve efficiency at summer temps?


I think the answer is to move to the UK as it never gets too hot here

I guess the main thing to consider is air flow to keep cool on the move which can be increased with scope but also making sure air behind the radiator can escape. I would expect the fans to be on when at a standstill/ moving slowly. Other than those things Decent coolant can help and bigger/more cores raidiators. Since upgrading to a Jaguar radiator my fans have yet to kick in.. but I do live in the UK and my rad hangs low with a big arse scope which I intend to start raising so I can start loweing my bus as it's a bit high for my liking.
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