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Covin
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 Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 11:43 pm Post subject: DIY Engine Adaptors |
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This should be an interesting debate. Let's hope we save some people a few quid.
Right as "splittyman69" stated: You can make your own adaptorplates but what we need to know is just how easy or difficult it actually is and if it's possible for some of us to carry out.
I'm planning on sticking a Ford CVH 1.8 engine in my Bay as I already have the full setup and adaptorplate from my Wifes Covin but I really fancy a nice V6 engine in the future, Ford, Vauxhall whatever....
Lets use the good old Ford 2.8i V6 engine for an example.
I would have thought making your own adaptorplate would require the access to a large lathe or milling machine etc. I do have both of these items but there small scale.
You seem to know your stuff "splittyman" and I'd like to know more about how, and what you use for making adaptors and if it's really that simple. I'm sure we're all up for saving money....lol 
Looking forward to your reply.................
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splittyman69
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| Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 12:26 am Post subject: Re: DIY Engine Adaptors |
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| Covin wrote: | This should be an interesting debate. Let's hope we save some people a few quid.
Right as "splittyman69" stated: You can make your own adaptorplates but what we need to know is just how easy or difficult it actually is and if it's possible for some of us to carry out.
I'm planning on sticking a Ford CVH 1.8 engine in my Bay as I already have the full setup and adaptorplate from my Wifes Covin but I really fancy a nice V6 engine in the future, Ford, Vauxhall whatever....
Lets use the good old Ford 2.8i V6 engine for an example.
I would have thought making your own adaptorplate would require the access to a large lathe or milling machine etc. I do have both of these items but there small scale.
You seem to know your stuff "splittyman" and I'd like to know more about how, and what you use for making adaptors and if it's really that simple. I'm sure we're all up for saving money....lol
Looking forward to your reply.................
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v6 adaperplate
right then lets have a bash (ill take u thow the steps of a v6 in a split as its mi lastist conversion
right one vw gearbox(beetle irs)
one v6 engine vauxhall
put them together (and they dont fit lol so heres how easy it is
v6 so it sat upright showing the flywheel (15kilo and around 1inch thick
remove flywheel and fit a thinner one 2.0(8v)fits nicely(costing 20 local scrappy) and clutch kit 215mm(38 quid bullseye) (with a std spigit bearing costing 4.75
(ps evern the 2.0 8v centre plate is the same spline as vw )
once fitted make a gearbox template useing some card from any early vauxhall gearbox(e.g 1.4/1.6.1.7 2.0 v6 all the same bolt pattern)
draw around and make the engine holes in card cut it out and leave on engine then drop the gearbox over the clutch (marking the input shaft with greese ,to find ur adaptorplate space)in my case it had to be 15mm plate
piece of 15mm plate costing a 10 locel steel place
put ur flywheel in the centre (burn it out (burning tackle )and fit it over ur flywheel flat onto the 6(i used chork on the underside to mark the holes to bolt to the engine(once drilled bolt it up and looks nicely
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as shown the once uve bolted ur clutch/flywheel in place and bolted up
drop the gearbox over the top and use chork down the 4 holes in the gearbox remove and centre tap them ull just get away with them due to the size of the flywheel(small,med then 17mm drill and tapped to make 4 therds or u can drill thow and weld up either way
right thats basicly the adaptorplate done last two things
input shaft has to be extened 15mm (same as adaptorplate)and has the thust bearing heres how
15mm to remove the input shaft (cv cover,remove clip,unbolt an tapp off )on both sides theres a small curclip on the input shaft remove it and a splined sleave pulls forwould ,them slimpley unscrew the shaft and add 15mm of steel on it (recomeneded on the spline sleave(stronger)
the thurst bearing use a vauxhall .astra deisal etc (one with a centre bolt which fits on to the clutch shaft mark it drop it down on to the gearbox and it will move into the right place (4u eith to drill and bolt it or weld it in place
thats a vauxhall conversion (engine monts ,rad r fairly straight forwood hop this helps 4 starters around 65quid and ur own time ??[/url] |
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Hmmm . . . Very interesting, I've got some burning gear so that's no problem. Think I'll need to read this a few times as I've had a few tonight...hic.... lol
What you say makes sense to me and for £65 and some time It's a bargain.
There's obviously some finer points to go over here but I can see where your coming from and I do like the sound of the Vauxhall engine.
The wiring etc is another subject but does the Vauxhall have it's own engine bay loom or does it need seperating from the main harness to retrieve the ecu etc?
I'm sure I'll have further questions later on but great start to the thread. Thanks mate. 
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splittyman69
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| Covin wrote: | Hmmm . . . Very interesting, I've got some burning gear so that's no problem. Think I'll need to read this a few times as I've had a few tonight...hic.... lol
What you say makes sense to me and for £65 and some time It's a bargain.
There's obviously some finer points to go over here but I can see where your coming from and I do like the sound of the Vauxhall engine.
The wiring etc is another subject but does the Vauxhall have it's own engine bay loom or does it need seperating from the main harness to retrieve the ecu etc?
I'm sure I'll have further questions later on but great start to the thread. Thanks mate. |
wireing what wireing piece of cake matey u need 5wires rest run though ecu easy then wireing a aircool engine up lol (honest) |
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So I take it the V6 Vauxhall has it's own independant engine bay loom that simply requires powering up etc ?
Like the old Sierra Cosworth engine loom.
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splittyman69
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| splittyman69 wrote: | | Covin wrote: | Hmmm . . . Very interesting, I've got some burning gear so that's no problem. Think I'll need to read this a few times as I've had a few tonight...hic.... lol
What you say makes sense to me and for �65 and some time It's a bargain.
There's obviously some finer points to go over here but I can see where your coming from and I do like the sound of the Vauxhall engine.
The wiring etc is another subject but does the Vauxhall have it's own engine bay loom or does it need seperating from the main harness to retrieve the ecu etc?
I'm sure I'll have further questions later on but great start to the thread. Thanks mate. |
wireing what wireing piece of cake matey u need 5wires rest run though ecu easy then wireing a aircool engine up lol (honest) |
mate of mine put this in his pickup 2.5 shogun lump had poo loads of touque and went well (right head turner with the turbo makeing a nice noise
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splittyman69
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| Covin wrote: | So I take it the V6 Vauxhall has it's own independant engine bay loom that simply requires powering up etc ?
Like the old Sierra Cosworth engine loom. |
yep ur right very simple when you know which wires to cut lol |
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| Quote: | the input shaft remove it and a splined sleave pulls forwould ,them slimpley unscrew the shaft and add 15mm of steel on it (recomeneded on the spline sleave(stronger)
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Here's a suggestion for you splittyman69.
Rather than removing the imput shaft and cutting/welding it to extend it by 15mm. Could you not achieve the same result by welding 15mm thick extension to the clutch plate ? Just get a second worn out plate from scrap yard and turn down center in lathe to 15mm thick, then weld the splined center boss onto the new clutch plate making up the 15mm. You could use imput shaft to keep alignment true and in theory this would be easier and stronger plus the release bearing would sit in correct position without any alteration as the clutch face will be 15mm further in .... Would it work in practice though ? 
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splittyman69
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| Covin wrote: | | Quote: | the input shaft remove it and a splined sleave pulls forwould ,them slimpley unscrew the shaft and add 15mm of steel on it (recomeneded on the spline sleave(stronger)
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Here's a suggestion for you splittyman69.
Rather than removing the imput shaft and cutting/welding it to extend it by 15mm. Could you not achieve the same result by welding 15mm thick extension to the clutch plate ? Just get a second worn out plate from scrap yard and turn down center in lathe to 15mm thick, then weld the splined center boss onto the new clutch plate making up the 15mm. You could use imput shaft to keep alignment true and in theory this would be easier and stronger plus the release bearing would sit in correct position without any alteration as the clutch face will be 15mm further in .... Would it work in practice though ? |
good idea maybe but when uve 250bhp going though a 215 centr clutch its got to be strong (as the splines are mid steel and could snap with theamount of touque thats why i added 15mm onto the inner spline end in the gearbox and fitted a splined sleave easyer and saves modifying clutch plates everytime one burns out |
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Very true.... Don't suppose you've a picture of the modified shaft by any chance ? If not just wip the engine out and take one....lol....lol.... 
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| Covin wrote: | | Very true.... Don't suppose you've a picture of the modified shaft by any chance ? If not just wip the engine out and take one....lol....lol.... |
lol ant at mo due to it bin in the gearbox
basicly its just 15mm added on to the end with a 11mm therd centred so it carnt move? |
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| Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2006 9:46 am Post subject: |
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The input shaft wouldn't be supported in the flywheel then, I doubt it would be long enough anyway and not enough space behind the clutch disc to space out the bearing..
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