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Difference between header tank and expansion tank?

 
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 10:42 am    Post subject: Difference between header tank and expansion tank? Reply with quote

Hello all!

I am about to work on my (what is supposed to become very) cool plumbing, but I am confused about the different types of tanks used in the various builds on this forum.

My question:
What is the difference between header tank and expansion tank?

Here is my understanding: a header tank should be the highest point in the cooling system. Then all air in the system will rise here and be discarded. According to the schematic of RJES it is connected to the water manifold (from pip on manifold to large pip on a, say, T25 header tank) and to the heater matrix (small pip on header tank). The header tank needs an overflow tank, so any excess coolant is not sprayed around the engine bay.

On the RJES schematic there is no mention of an expansion tank. Why is this not so? And in what kind of schematic should it be?

I browsed around on the forum, but I actually became more confused because of the many different schematics I found.

BTW, my project is building a EJ22 in a '75 bay, rad between the rails, using a reversed manifold and wanting to put on or two heater matrices in the cooling circuit.

Thanks for any help!
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 1:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your right in what your thinking about the two tanks.

On RJES's circuit diagram the expansion/overflow tank is item 17.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 7:05 pm    Post subject: Re: Difference between header tank and expansion tank? Reply with quote

Obonobo wrote:
Here is my understanding: a header tank should be the highest point in the cooling system. Then all air in the system will rise here and be discarded.


In theory yes, in practice - no.
1/ Imagine water with bubbles in it being forced around a system - some of those bubbles will miss the opening to rise up.

2/ Now if you have an "n" bend (inverted U bend) low in your system
2a Some air will naturally get trapped in this whilst filling the system
2b Some of the bubbles in 1 will settle here

T3 header and expansion tank (for example) has a pressure cap on the header that bleeds into the expansion tank at approx 14-16psi. The pipe feeds to the bottom of the Expansion tank.
Engine gets hot, air expands and bubbles through this pipe and into ET. Water will too.
Engine cools and sucks the water back as it's sucking from the bottom of the ET. If there's not enough water, it'll suck air too


Header tank (as in the Frontera) This is self contained and runs at approx 1/3 full. The air gets passed through the pressure cap when it's up to temperature

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 10:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks guys: clear answers, clear mind!

Best/safest option for durable non-bubbliness seems to be the Frontera-type tank.

Great! And now: to the scrapper!
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 10:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can use a T3 in the same way, here's Kev's:

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 7:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks, that's clear!
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